Why Debating With Feminists is a Ridiculous Waste of Your Time

On the occasion, it is typical to hear feminists launching attacks at the Catholic Church for not ordaining women (which essentially means our Eastern Orthodox brethren are being attacked as well) and often times this boils down into a conversation ultimately not worth having. But alas, this post is really not about defending the all-male priesthood although some fundamentalist “liberals” are apparently so dogmatic about women being included in the priesthood that they’ve sacrificed the atonement, the Trinity, the Eucharist, and just about everything else as the center of the Gospel message. But this is about feminists in general. There’s actually a fairly clever joke I stumbled across a while back which I thought I’d share with you guys.

How many feminists does it take to change a light-bulb?
12.

One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole “screwing” bit to be too “rape-like”,
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now “out-lightbulbing” men,
and one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

That really is what having a conversation with a feminist is like in the first place. They throw rape around so much and never consider that most justice systems run on a double-rape principle! Suggesting this to them though will have them saying “What?!? You don’t believe women?!? You treat them like dirt?!?” Etc. Then of course you run into a feminist who embraces the defense of the full equality between men and women and that seems legit. We should all be feminists then! Until you realize that the actual goal of the feminist is to satisfy her own demands.

That’s why it’s a waste of your time to dialogue back and forth with a feminist. When you suggest something about how ridiculous her arguments are, she goes bonkers thinking it’s because she’s a women that you reject what she has to say. It really is similar to President Barack Obama. He accuses people of being racists when they don’t like his policies. Maybe it’s just because your policies are corrupt that we don’t like them? Likewise to the feminist, maybe I’m rejecting your argument because it’s ridiculous.

In my comparative mysticism class this semester, we had to watch and give our reflections on feminist scholars interpreting the Medieval female mystics as some sort of oppressed group. Naturally, I thought that such positions like the ones held by the feminist scholars were laughable at best. They essentially “engage in a drastic kind of oversimplification that would be attacked, and rightly, if it were arguing on the opposite side” (Pelikan, Mary Through the Centuries, 219). Pelikan also notes that “some extremely valuable resources for [the study of the place of women in history] are being neglected” (219). I was perhaps the only one in the class who vented disagreement with the material learned. That’s because I wanted to dig deeper and ask these questions to find out. I rejected their arguments not because they were women but because I found their positions to be ridiculously wrong. It’s such claims that they were persecuted in the Medieval era by the hostile Papists that, well, bear no argument because the Papists apparently also attacked men not because they were men but because they held heresy. Why are the women a special case? Are the Papists anti-men or maybe they do see some of these women as holding heresy? I disagree with the feminist scholarship here not because I hate women but because it’s bunk and is a deliberate one-sided history.

I should also mention on the Malleus Maleficarum that “the Spanish Inquisition cautioned its members not to believe everything the Malleus said” (Jolly, Raudvere, Peters, Witchcraft and Magic in Europe, Volume 3: The Middle Ages, 241). So basically, the Medieval Roman Church was anti-woman for not taking the Malleus seriously enough? Nevertheless, the feminist assaults the man who doesn’t agree with her as being “anti-women!” Um, Jolly is a woman, for your information although I think that section was written by Edward Peters.

Nevertheless, it goes on for hours and hours in a loop like this with a feminist. As long as the feminist is agreed with, she’s okay. When she’s disagreed with, she goes bonkers. It’s annoying sometimes. This is why in the education field, we have to read feminist scholarship. Not because it’s accurate or quality in any which way but because it really is easy target practice to pick apart and we’ll need those skills for the future.

The number one feminist argument I’ve heard is “You don’t like me because I have a uterus!” Actually, while it’s true that your reproductive system does look like a Satanic Ram’s Head, I don’t follow that having a uterus is a sufficient reason for me not to like what you have to say. Some feminists who contend for abortion being allowed for all middle-class women (they forget about the women living in poverty conveniently for some reason I have yet to figure out), argue that they are being oppressed and reduced to baby-carrying machines. Unfortunately though, I can’t take these arguments any less seriously. Most women arguing for abortion actually reduce our level of knowledge about the reproductive system and glorify the use of contraceptions. “Sex is about pleasure!” they say, “Humans didn’t invent this!”. Sex results in pleasure, true, but arguing that humans didn’t invent sex as a means of pleasure kind of reduces you from the status quo of a human to an animal, doesn’t it?

Other ridiculous arguments I’ve come across is how the main goal of the feminist is to get you to treat her as a human. But wait! This is how humans are treated. Vile, repugnant little creatures in need of something beyond them to save them. I love watching the show House M.D. and I always hate how my mother hates him for being a jerk. Sure, he’s a jerk, but at least he knows what he’s talking about when it comes to humanity.

Is that how the feminist wants to be treated? The same way Dr. Gregory House treats virtually everyone? Included in the number of everyone who lies? As part of that everybody that lies? Everybody lies, right? So women do too? What exactly is a human in the Hebrew terminology?

Genesis 2:7 – וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה (WLC)

“What’s that say?!?” the curious feminist asks. “It says, ‘the man was formed from the dust of the ground,’ adam is the Hebrew word for human and adamah is the Hebrew word it derives from and it means ground.”

Do you see that? The feminist wants to be treated as a human! Humans are dirt! So…the solution to this problem is to treat the feminist like dirt, right? Wrong answer according to the feminist. I want to be treated like a human on an animal drive getting what I want complaining about what you are and what you hold and if you don’t agree with me, you must be anti-women!

No matter what you do, what you say, the feminist will always want her own way. It’s never enough.

Feminism – the radical idea the women are human and should be treated as humans (which means treating them as dirt)
Anti-Feminism – the sexist idea that all males are dirt and all women are wine glasses and so men should be treated as dirt while the women bask in the glory of their feminine, nevertheless, we’re all humans and there is uniqueness to each individual human whether they be dirt or a wine glass (oh wait, that’s not what the women want according to the feminists!)

Okay, that admittedly isn’t the best definition of anti-feminism but you get the point. Just don’t bother dialoguing with feminists. They don’t want it. They’d rather complain about how the world isn’t working right to some degree. Meanwhile, other women actually suffer because of it!

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About newenglandsun

A student. Male. Passionate. Easily offended. Child-like wonderer. Growing in faith, messing up daily.
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5 Responses to Why Debating With Feminists is a Ridiculous Waste of Your Time

  1. I’m glad you’ve reached the healthy conclusion that the so-called feminist agenda is stark raving madness. Here’s the reason why. Though women have historically fared better in western Christian societies than in pagan, eastern, or Muslim cultures (or our own rapidly de-Christianizing culture), there have been valid injustices that feminism rightly sought to redress (e.g. women being denied the right to vote or to hold certain professions).

    Sadly the remedy that feminists prescribe for these problems is to encourage women to be as greedy, callous, shallow, and objectifying of others as (bad) men are. Their error is twofold: 1) embracing hedonistic materialism and 2) mistaking correlation for causality when seeing materially successful men behaving like jackasses.

    Are you beginning to see why so many feminists you’ve debated are saddled with frothing rage? They’ve been indoctrinated to demand that women be regarded as equal to men, yet at the same time material success is the only standard by which to measure one’s self-wroth; yet again the only way to acquire self-worth is to act like a vicious man.

    Feminists hate women. This is the ugly secret underlying modern feminism. What else can someone indoctrinated to hold three mutually exclusive premises at once do but despair? What else can you call someone who insists that women adhere to such warped doctrines but a misogynist?

    Because they associate femininity with weakness and blame it for failure, men calling themselves feminists hate women, and female feminists hate themselves. If you point this fact out to them, they will project their self-hatred onto you. That is their only defense since, as you’ve pointed out, their self-defeating ethos crumbles against rational argument.

    I highly recommend this series: http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/11/saving-science-fiction-from-strong-female-characters-part-1/

    • It was actually brought to my attention on a now deleted post I had about abortion. But the commenter was informing me why my position on abortion was bankrupt. Because it was the feminists in the first place that demanded equal pay for women which meant that maternity leave went kerput.

      I had noticed on another blog where a person was ranting against pregnant women!
      http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/2010/09/wtf-since-when-is-pregnancy-and.html

      It is quite true. Feminism has gone off the deep-end. From a collectivist movement to an individualist movement. I saw my older sister a while back harassing my little sister for her Flower Girls’ group (my little sister is a girly-girl so to speak) and it’s just ridiculous that a movement that claims to want women have what they want, is, well…oppressing women that just want to be pretty.

      Another thing I find funny is how when it comes to abortion, pro-abortion feminists are alright with men who support it. Men who don’t support it are told to get lost since they’ll never be pregnant. So what do they say to women who don’t support it? Same thing.

      This is another good one as well.
      http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/essays/dark-ages-ii/

  2. April says:

    The world
    so full of pain
    darkness and hurt
    will they ever feel love
    see light
    have peace
    Can they listen
    to the one voice
    that heals
    drowned out
    among the many
    that harm

    • I used to be a feminist too because I honestly made the mistake of thinking that feminism was about opposing female genitilia being ripped off in Middle Eastern places and about benefiting the whole of humanity.

      Then I realized from individual feminists, that feminism means opposing pregnant women in order to support abortion, it means opposing men speaking up on issues that disagree with a women because they’re allegedly sexist, it meant kow-towing to my wishes on demand and was a complete rejection and dismissal of any women who actually felt *comfortable* in a more male-headed setting.

      Feminism is a lie. I hate lies.

  3. April says:

    ohh man, it didn’t preserve my artistic spacing

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